Eds Reference Guide(SI9) NOTES: Serpent seed (13/-) The Anakim
Continuation from above, Serpent seed 13.

Mystech 03-02-03, 02:01 AM
Haha, wow, you are a special kind of crazy, aren't you?

egirl 03-02-03, 03:18 AM
Yep....where's our moderator!? :D

one_raven 03-02-03, 03:52 AM

Originally posted by The Vistor 
The Anakim... 

I see. :bugeye: 

And just where did you gain all this knowledge from?


Dr Lou Natic 03-02-03, 06:36 AM

Another thing on that documentary "best ufo evidence caught on tape" I talked about was footage of this enormous craft that hovered over israel (or jerusalem or somewhere like that) for 3 days. It was so huge that you could only see a small part of it. You could see what looked like a cooling vent or something and some kind of metal plates. What was visible was very clear and eerie to look at, even on tv. This wasn't some frisbee lookin crap it was easily the most impressive footage of something weird in the sky I have ever seen. It was far too big and majestic to be a hoax and far too many people saw it. 
And apparently it was mentioned in the bible somewhere.

one_raven 03-02-03, 06:45 AM

Originally posted by Dr Lou Natic 
Another thing on that documentary "best ufo evidence caught on tape" I talked about was footage of this enormous craft that hovered over israel (or jerusalem or somewhere like that) for 3 days. It was so huge that you could only see a small part of it. You could see what looked like a cooling vent or something and some kind of metal plates. What was visible was very clear and eerie to look at, even on tv. This wasn't some frisbee lookin crap it was easily the most impressive footage of something weird in the sky I have ever seen. It was far too big and majestic to be a hoax and far too many people saw it. 
And apparently it was mentioned in the bible somewhere. 

And this never hit the global news?
When did this supposedly happen?
Why was it not the biggest news story in history?


Dana D 03-02-03, 11:02 AM

Anakim ... Anakim? ... oh, ya-ya - grew up to be Darth Vader, right?!;)


Dana D 03-02-03, 11:07 AM
Visitor - Protestant canon basis but there is much detail from another source. Apocrypha? Gnostic?

Dr Lou Natic 03-02-03, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by one_raven 
And this never hit the global news?
When did this supposedly happen?
Why was it not the biggest news story in history? 
Very good question! It makes me mad as hell. It seems as though the term "ufo" is ALWAYS met with skepticism. Its hard to not feel as though there is some conspiracy going on, because like you said WHY HAVEN'T WE HEARD MORE ABOUT IT?! It had a five minute part in a documentary and was probably on israeli news one day but thats it. If you saw this thing you would know why I know it wasn't a fake, its hard to explain.
The documentary was actually called "The best UFO evidence ever caught on tape" if thats any help.


Eman Resu 03-02-03, 09:08 PM
Could it be that the media wasn't focused on "other" world events that day?

Mystech 03-03-03, 12:35 AM
Would you be able to link us to any pictures of it on the net? I imagine there have to be a few, somewhere out there, I'm interested to see.


Dr Lou Natic 03-03-03, 01:00 AM

you'd think so but ... *shrugs* 
maybe there are pics of it but I don't know what to search for, its not like on the docu' the narrator said "this particular ufo is named anthony" I can hardly remember what they said.
A pic wouldn't do it justice anyway.

Don't file sharing programs have documentaries? I wouldn't know I don't use any but I think you should be able to find it out there somewhere. The whole documentary was REALLY good.


Dr Lou Natic 03-03-03, 01:03 AM

Maybe it was called "UFO: Best evidence ever caught on tape" shit I can't remember, definately something like that.


Mystech 03-03-03, 01:36 AM
Originally posted by Dr Lou Natic 
A pic wouldn't do it justice anyway.

Um, but then all you saw was a picture, so what does that say about the situation?

Dr Lou Natic 03-03-03, 01:46 AM

video footage is different, pictures are that much easier to modify in undetectable ways and that would feed your scathing skepticism too conveniently. I'd love for you to see this thing, trust me.

hoppything 03-03-03, 01:59 AM
That explains how they built them pyramids!! They just used Giants!...... and all that time we thought it was ropes.. ::Shakes Fist at Discovery Channel::

Dana D 03-03-03, 08:26 AM
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Cut and paste, hit search, look at top link. Wah-lah! Is this what your talking about?


TheVisitor 03-03-03, 02:02 PM

Where did I get my info? I'll attempt to break it down for you the best I can - But this may get lenghthy...

{The Anakim are mentioned many places in the bible - also look for the term "the children of anak". 
From the Hebrew Lexicon : The name Arba = Fourth, He was the father of anak, the greatest of the giants (post flood), The Anakim ('anna -'keem)- 
"The Anakim" are mentioned ten times, Duet 1:28, 2:10, 2:11, 2:21, 9:2, Jos. 11:21, 11:22, 14:12, 14:15, and Joshua 47:5. 
They were however, not the only race of giants that existed after the flood. There were nearly a dozen different races of them 
during the time of Israels captivity in Egypt, but by the time they left wandering the wilderness and aproached crossing the river Jordan, only a few remained, one of which was the Anakim. 
The rest had already been destroyed by Israel's distant cousins - the children of Esau. 
This is only a partial record of the races of giants existing after the flood.}..........

This is in the Old Testement (Bible)


{ They were a throwback, decending from the giants that existed before the flood through a resessive gene, that existed in one of Noah's three sons - Ham. 
Ham showed the behavior traits dispayed by Cain, who was the first hybrid man born without representation in God's "book of life".}...............

This requires cross-referencing many different scriptures. The O.T.(Old Testement) says of the pre-flood earth - "And there where giants in the earth in those days", if Noah and his three sons and their wives were the only ones saved , how did giants reappear after the flood. - Ham was the one who showed no respect for family or traditions when he told his brothers of his fathers nakedness.(read the story). Cain showed wrath and even anger towards God to his face, "Am I my brothers Keeper?" Lied to his face. Look at these scriptures as clues - "Cain was of his father the wicked one", "Ye generation of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come"(John the Baptist), "As the serpent beguiled Eve, I fear the church will be led astray"(Paul), "The way of an adulterous woman is this, she eateth, and wipeth her mouth and saith "I have done nothing"(Solomon)...Here you can see that eating (forbidden friut) is tied to adultry,... Think Eve in the Garden. - There are many mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, which Jesus said are" hidden from the eyes of the wise and prudent , but revealed to babes such as are willing to learn....One of these which is crucial to understanding God, and his purpose with mankind is the mystery of "The Serpents Seed" 


{ In the beginning was "Elohim". Like any father, in Him was attributes yet to be expressed, His children, the Sons and Daughters of God. The first man "Adam" was a Son of God, Eve was taken from him later as a byproduct, not in the original creation, which was how she could be deceived. There were many races of animals of the earth, which were created one higher than the next, up until one was created that could represent the image of God, "Man". }............

This is all O.T. record, God made man in his own image...Sons of God. The new Testements says of the restored condition between God and man made possible by Jesus " They that are led by the spitit of God , these shall be called the Sons of God"....


{The closest race of animal to "Man" was the "Serpent". The "Serpent" was a large creature, ten feet tall, walked upright, and talked. Called in the bible "more subtile than any beast of the field".}...................

First of all, the Serpent was not always a snake. It walked, talked to Eve, and was very inteligent. After the fall, look at how God chose to curse them...Adam for his good the ground was cursed, that he would have to work by the sweat of his brow, Eve was cursed were she sinned, in childbearing, not in her mouth as if she'd eaten an apple, as some say. And the Serpent,every bone in his body was changed, and was told "on your belly you shall go"...thats why there's a missing link between man and ape today, it was the serpent.
Many species that are next to one another can reproduce, although it's not natural for them to do so. Take a horse and a donkey, they make a mule. A Hybrid .....The serpent was with Eve in the afternoon, and Eve was with Adam that evening...it happens today if there are two furtile eggs present. There were twins Cain, of the serpent, and Abel of Adam...
To see the nature of the beast, look back to see the twins at work through-out history....Cain and Abel, Moses and Balaam, Jesus and Judas - The Son of God and the Son of Perdition.
The pharasees and the Scribes, False religions of their day and ours, denominationism, the world council of churches. The true church and the false vine...All the world shall be deceived and worship the image of the beast, who's names are not written in the "Lambs book of life" from the foundation of the world...
It was the beast in the beginning (in the garden), and the beast at the end, follow the trail of the serpent, and you will begin to see...

{Adam had both eternal life - how could something thats a part of God have a beginning or an end?, and Immortal life, contingent apon remaining connectted to his spiritual body or theophany. We are a tri-une being, body - spirit, and soul. Sin, defined here as "unbelief in God", breaks the connection nessessary for Immortal life, in this physical world.}

The bible said: The wages of sin are death, The day you eat thereof, is the day you die....But also "a day to God is a thousand years. The mystery of Elohim, and your theophany and thier connection to Immortal life is best explained in a message titled "Who is this Melchesidec" delivered by William Branham on Feb 21, 1965. the link is here...
http://www.nathan.co.za/message.asp?sermonum=1087


{Forget what you've been told by so-called scientist's. They are spreading lies to mislead the public from the truth. 
Man was created perfect, This Earth was created in perfect balance, without seasons, or stormclouds to block the sun. 
Man before the flood were smarter, lived longer, were more advanced, and more dangerous the Man today. Comparing us today to them would be like comparing a common housecat to the king of the beasts. But- there were two completely different races then, The "Sons of God" - the true desendants of Adam and Eve, and "The Sons of Men" Created when Eve was seduced in the Garden of Eden by a Male Serpent under the influence of Satan- Cain was the first of this race which ruled the world before the flood with physical strenghth and technology. The children of Seth, Adam and Eve's true son who replaced Abel, whom Cain slew, were the "Sons of God" . They had enormous lifespans, nearly 1000 years, and powers of healing, disernment, miracles, and all the powers accossiated with men of God. These two races mixed right before the flood, their tampering with the balance of nature caused the flood, and the tilt in the earths axis, causing the seasons we have today. We are a scaled down version of a mixture of both of them, with a limited lifespan ("because my spirit shall not always strive with the spirit of man, the days of a man shall become 120 years") For the purpose of testing, and childrearing of a people who's goverment shall never have an end, The redeemed sons and daughters of God, of which Jesus is the first begotton of many brethren.}

This is all in the bible....Lifespans of nearly 1000 years were only recorded of the children of Seth's linage, The lifespan of Cains linage are not recorded...check and see. They were a hybrid, The Serpents seed, which produced the giants. It's all there but you have to know where to look. God does things in a way to cause some to come in and some to go out, Things are hidden from the eyes of the wise and prudent, but revealed unto babes such as willing to learn, "His disciples asked him (Jesus), Why do you speak to the multitudes in parables? and he answered them, "Because unto you it's been given to understand the "Mysteries of the kingdom of Heaven", but unto them it's not been given".....

These are just a few....
Hope it helps 


Edited by The Vistor on 03-02-03 at 04:49 AM



Dana D 03-03-03, 09:03 PM
Quite a post! 

Visitor- 
Are you familliar with the book, The Genisis Flood by Henry Morris and John Whitcomb?

Dr Lou Natic 03-03-03, 10:58 PM
Originally posted by Dana D 
Cut and paste, hit search, look at top link. Wah-lah! Is this what your talking about? 
Looks like it
watch it
seriously


divinebrn
03-03-03, 11:01 PM
What you said was phenomonal. I agree 100%! Very interesting sums up what I have been trying to decipher--by the way where did you obtain this information? Would you be willing to help me learn or show me this info?:D :D :D :D


TheVisitor
03-04-03, 12:36 AM
To Dana D : I don't recall reading the book you've mentioned....
I'll have to look it up. 

To Divinebrn : 
I would always be glad to help...Although I have many years as a private student of the Word, and I consider the Bible as an ultimate authority, I would never have been able to understand most of what I was reading without divine revealation. As I said before, He reveals (revealation) it unto babes, such as are willing to learn. And the revealation of these mysteries was given first to someone I believe to be a prophet of God who was sent to the Gentiles according to prophecy in Mal 4:5-6, Rev 10:7, Amos 3:7....and many, many others. His name was William Branham, and lived in the U.S. from 1909 to 1965. His story is one of supernatural phenomena, from a visit by an angel in 1946, to the revealation of the Seven Seals in 1963, Through his gift of disernment and revealation, God unraveled the Mysteries that had been guessed at down through the ages. Rev10:7 says: In the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he begins to sound , the mysteries of God should be completed, as he hath revealed to his servents the prophets.
His ministry left over 1100 tape recorded messages from 1947 to 1965 available here http://www.nathan.co.za/sermons.asp and other places to read and listen to for free on the internet...and it continues to be broken down by a five-fold ministry today and used to feed people the truth all around the world.


Mystech 03-04-03, 02:11 AM
I remain firm in my position that you are a special kind of crazy, and believe that you have only helped to make that more evident.

You know, reading through your posts I'm reminded of one of my ol' favorite RPGs, Vampire: The Masquerade, inwhich vampires are suposidly decended from Cain, who's sacrifice of his brother able so pleased God that a "Mark" was placed on him, and became the first vampire. . . demonic powers enused. Very fun game.

Dana D
03-04-03, 08:49 AM
I'm sure you'd find it interesting.


TheVisitor 03-04-03, 11:10 AM


Mystech,
Oh, because I revealed some of my sources, now your really sure huh. Ha, ha...thats funny, but you know, beings that I'm on the side with the "Good guys", when someone asks me for help I reach out a hand. Sometimes that leaves me fighting demons with one arm, but you know, it's worth it - cause the good guys always win..........Never liked Role playing games myself, I prefer to do my battle in the real world. But I've got a question for you - can you tell me where the twelve-digit numerical system came from that was used in the ancient world ?

Dana D
03-04-03, 01:27 PM
::reaches for popcorn::


Mystech 03-04-03, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by TheVisitor 
can you tell me where the twelve-digit numerical system came from that was used in the ancient world ? 

Let me guess, it came from the depths of hell itself! Or maybe the lord gave it to us. Who can tell?

You're looking really hard for things that aren't there, you know, you should probably be posting this stuff in the Religion forum, wild as the stuff on this particular board is, I think you've gone that one extra step into blindingly stupid and literal faith.


TheVisitor 03-04-03, 07:15 PM

I'm going to ignore that last remark, in the name of peace, love, mutual understanding and all that good stuff....
Because I believe knowing the origin of an ancient twelve-digit based numerical system does fall under the topic of science or pseudoscience, one of the two.

The basis for our present numerical system is ten-digits.
When your little children learn to count, they have ten fingers to count on, yes.....?

So why is there reminents of an ancient system that was based on twelve.......?

Think of all the examples.....Twelve numbers on the face of a clock, twelve months to a year, twelve signs of the zodiac, twelve in a dozen, twelve dozen to a gross, twelve inches in a foot, twelve blocks to a mile.... 

...... (1 Chronicles 20:6) - And there was again war at Gath, where there was a man of great stature, who had six fingers on each hand, and six toes on each foot, twenty-four in number; and he also was descended from the giants.


TheVisitor 03-04-03, 08:29 PM

- did a project on this in year 6, i remember it vaguely! Er..... They were like, four armed horses or something, I can remember the picture and they came down in little dome type things (It is an artists interpretation though!) I think the passage is in Ezekiel someplace?

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Ezekiel 1:18 - The four wheels had rims and they had spokes; and their rims were full of eyes round about. 

Ezekiel 1:19 - And when the living creatures went, the wheels went beside them; and when the living creatures rose from the earth, the wheels rose.

These "living creatures" had four sides, on one side was a lion, then an ox, then the face of a man, and a flying eagle. 

"when the enemy comes in like a flood, the spirit of the lord raises up a standard against them"

In the revelation of the Seven Seals, the four horse riders are the stages of anti-christ, the four beasts are of the spirits of God to combat and announce each rider as it appears. This takes place in the 2000 years from Christ's death to His return.

.... (The Seals)..... Revelation 6:1-8 

The white horse rider went out (satan inpersonating Christ), the first beast ( the lion of the tribe of judea) anointed the people with the word...(first church age, after the apostles, nicolatianism)

The red horse rider went out ( power to take peace, and kill all who oppose him) the second beast (the ox, sacrifice) anointed the people to give their lives...(when church unites with roman state, receives power to kill all who disagree with pope)

The black horse rider went out( power to sell eternal life, purgitory, penances)the third beast (the face of a man) anointed the people to reason with the reformers....(during dark ages, false church selling hope of salvation for money) 

The pale horse rider went out (a mixture of all three), the forth beast (the flying eagle) anointed the people with the vision of a prophet....(civil, ecclesiastical, demonic powers unite to deceive all who's names are not written in the Lamb's book - God sends a prophet to call His people out of her-Rev 18:1-4)


Dana D
03-04-03, 11:03 PM
So, the Anakim had 6 digits; operated in base 12, of which we have many remnants today. I've heard a lot of different theories, but not that one. Hummm ... fascinating.


TheVisitor 03-04-03, 11:20 PM

So, the Anakim had 6 digits; operated in base 12, of which we have many remnants today. I've heard a lot of different theories, but not that one. Hummm ... fascinating

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I don't say it's an absolute , but it's a theory of mine (actually I picked it up from an author about 15 years ago, can't remember the name of the book...and have investigated since) it has a lot of evidence to back it up...


Mystech 03-05-03, 12:42 AM

So like, where are they now, then? I suppose the must all have moved into the hollow earth, via the 300 mile diamater hole in antartica, along with the remainder of the Nazi party, and the reptoid people.


TheVisitor 03-05-03, 01:29 AM

In the book of Joshua, he leads the Israelites into the promised land , and God commands them to destroy every one of the inhabitants of the land, every man, woman, and child...
In one instance, some of the people were about to get away and Joshua used God's orders to hunt them down to stop the sun for twenty-four hours so they could not get away.

JOSHUA 10:12 - Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. 13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. 14 And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel.

About a thousand years latter a reminent re-appeared in King David's day - (At Gath - see below), Golieth and his brothers, but they where all killed in battle.

......1 Chronicles 20:4 And it came to pass after this, that there arose war at Gezer with the Philistines; at which time Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Sippai, that was of the children of the giant: and they were subdued. 5 And there was war again with the Philistines; and Elhanan the son of Jair slew Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, whose spear staff was like a weaver's beam. 6 And yet again there was war at Gath, where was a man of great stature, whose fingers and toes were four and twenty, six on each hand, and six on each foot and he also was the son of the giant. 7 But when he defied Israel, Jonathan the son of Shimea David's brother slew him. 8 These were born unto the giant in Gath; and they fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.

TheVisitor 03-05-03, 01:48 AM

Also I might add... the fictional book I once read, (actually, I can't remember the name of the book, but it was a christian childrens mystery novel, kind of like Nancy Drew, or the Hardy Boys type of thing.)
said some of them still exist today, in hiding, part of some secret society. They wore gloves when in public, with two of their fingers together. But I like I said...it was from a ficticous acount. I do know however, that the condition of being born with more than five fingers or toes is fairly common. 
It happens in 1 out of so many thousand births.
It's called polydactilism, and usually the extra toe or finger is cut off in the hospital at birth...


Mystech 03-05-03, 01:49 AM 

And? An ancient book written by numerous superstitious and primitive peoples of an age long gone, with obvious and questionable motives, for the purposes of their own people, in a land that is thousands of miles away, translated and edited over and over again, from numerous languages, is hardly a credible source of accurate information regarding much of anything.

My advice to you would be to find actual evidence. It's a novel idea, I know, but it may be just credible enough to work.


TheVisitor 03-05-03, 02:12 AM

And? An ancient book written by numerous superstitious and primitive peoples of an age long gone, with obvious and questionable motives, for the purposes of their own people, in a land that is thousands of miles away, translated and edited over and over again, from numerous languages, is hardly a credible source of accurate information regarding much of anything. 

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The bible is good enough for me, it's my "absolute" authority, but lets talk about you....
Whats your absolute...? Science..? Their story changes all the time, as they learn more about what already exists around them, they update their story accordingly.
You need an absolute or you have no basis to work from.

Dr Lou Natic 03-05-03, 02:37 AM

Not a bad theory visitor, I like it. 
Some people are turned off any idea as soon as the bible is mentioned but you have to realise, the bible was written by LOTS of people in different stages through time, none of them knew eachother and just about none of them knew what the last writer was really saying. Some of the scripters would have been imaginitive lovers of tales and fiction, some straight up pranksters, some legitimately wise philosophers and some misinterpretting morons. The thing is the bible originally wasn't supposed to be taken at face value but through the ages people have taken it at face value and added their own crap. What I'm saying is some of the stuff in there(not much but some) is really profound and possibly true. Of course no burning bush talked to moses, no snake told some girl to eat an apple, their was no adam and eve as such but a majority of fallousy doesn't necasarily render the bible a whole book of garbage.


Dana D
03-05-03, 08:52 AM
Just stirring the pot -
The book, "Evidence that Demands a Verdict" is an interesting read also. 

The veracity of recorded information is always suspect. (Some here question whether we've been to the moon. Different thread.)

One thing we must keep in mind is that there are two systems of proofs out there. Scientific and Judicial. In fact, in a recent thread on one forum here, all were pretty much in agreement that the scientific method cannot prove something to be true, it can only disprove. 

But some things in this world require "proving". It's not 100% accurate, but the judicial system is used the world over as the basis for determining the accuracy, or truth, of alleged historical events. The future of millions of peoples lives are determined, every day, based on judicial proofs. 

Some things require the scientific method, some the judicial. The right tool for the right job.


TheVisitor 03-05-03, 12:15 PM

Yes, thats amazing isn't it...
66 different books in the Bible, written by 40 different authors over a period of 2000 years...
And I challange you to show me one contridiction in any of it.
That in itself proves it was written by divine inspiration of God, and not of man.
This is why I use it as a basis for my understanding of the world.
It is a rock you can stand on, that will not change or move.


norad 03-05-03, 12:27 PM

I agree. The Bible is also 25% prophecy, and as far as I know, all of the prophecies have been true up to this point. Do you think that if God is an alien, well he is an alien since he isn't from this planet, could it be that they have, and done, time travel? With all of the UFO sightings everyday is it possible that these beings 'God' are going back into the past to relate to the people in the holy land what is yet to come? Just a thought. Ideas?


TheVisitor 03-05-03, 12:43 PM
Let me break this down some.....

The thing is the bible originally wasn't supposed to be taken at face value - 

(No , not all, true. Some is written in parables, riddles, and purposfully made a mystery so that God can reveal the understanding to whom He will and others will look at it and just walk away...)



but through the ages people have taken it at face value and added their own crap. - 

(many people have misinterpreted the bible, that doesn't reflect on it's credbility...only that persons mis-guided attempt to read someone else's mail...)


What I'm saying is some of the stuff in there(not much but some) is really profound and possibly true. - 

(Oh, it's all true, but only some of it can be understood without useing a key - like the rosetta stone...then it's all unlocked for you. Have you ever seen a picture that was drawn to hide a object in plain sight. At first all you see is the picture....untill someone shows you the hidden object, then aterwards ever time you look at the picture you see the object there plain as day...

Of course no burning bush talked to moses,

(yes, there was, face value)

no snake told some girl to eat an apple,

(Please read my article to "One Raven and Dana D" on page 2 of this link....it wasn't a snake it was a serpent - the missing link between man and ape. God afterwards changed it into a snake after it had alredy fathered Cain.)

their was no adam and eve
(yes, there was...face value)

as such but a majority of fallousy doesn't necasarily render the bible a whole book of garbage.

(As I said I challange you to show me one contridiction in the entire 66 books).........


norad 03-05-03, 12:56 PM

Visitor: Correct me if I'm wrong, but Adam in hebrew means of men and Eve of women? Something to that effect. Is that true? Some people take it literally that Adam and Eve were just one man and one woman, but that really was not the case. At least, in the realms of birth defects because of interbreeding I would think it was many men and many women.


TheVisitor 03-05-03, 12:58 PM

I agree. The Bible is also 25% prophecy, and as far as I know, all of the prophecies have been true up to this point. Do you think that if God is an alien, well he is an alien since he isn't from this planet, could it be that they have, and done, time travel? With all of the UFO sightings everyday is it possible that these beings 'God' are going back into the past to relate to the people in the holy land what is yet to come? Just a thought. Ideas?

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Many of these lights, that people see appear to be defying the laws of physics.....are in fact investigating angels, that have come down just as they did before the destruction of Sodom and Gomorha. 
They sometimes appear as an amber light, or a pillar of fire...I've read many accounts and have seen numerous photos of this, including one that was authenicated by Geoge J. Lacy (the examiner of questioned documents for the F.B.I.) and hung until recently in the smithonian hall of religious arts as the only supernatural being ever photographed. 
It is a picture of a pillar of fire over the head of evangelist William Branham, taken before thousands of people in Sam Houston colliseum in Jan, 1950.
A link to the photo is here http://freie-volksmission.org/english/


TheVisitor 03-05-03, 01:05 PM
Some people take it literally that Adam and Eve were just one man and one woman, but that really was not the case

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The geneology is quite accurate......Go back several pages and read my artice on the giants.... This explains the creation of two seperate races from Adam, Eve and the Serpent. The Sons of Men and the Sons of God. The geneological record of Seth's linage (Adam and Eve's) and Cain's linage (The Serpent and Eve's) is quite accurate and extensive.
Since they were created perfect, the problems of in-breding are still a long ways off. But just like a tape that you record, and then make a tape of that tape , and so forth...eventualy you have nothing but static left on the tape.
This is why Man was smarter, stronger,and lived longer than we do today...
However, sexual reproduction was never the means God intended His children to be brought forth by, it was only meant as a secondary method, available to animals of all flesh.
The Sons of God were meant to be brought forth by the power of the spoken word, as Adam was...and as Jesus was..."A virgin shall conceive"... He was "the second man Adam" and thats how he was the propitiation.


norad
03-05-03, 02:06 PM
I didn't really look at it yet, visitor, but I will later on. I do believe though that not only the church, but government officials are covering up the existence of UFO's. I also believe that there is a link between man and these UFO's-our celestial brothers. I wish I could prove it because it has been a bother for me for a long time-14 years of looking into different scientific theories, conjecture and fact. The angel that visited the virgin Mary, and please don't take offense to this, was what I believe to be a close encounter of the third kind. How else could she have been artificially inseminated? There is a speculation by researchers that genetic memory is passed through male sperm. It may be the reason why people claim they have lived previous lives under hypnosis, when possibly it is memory passed throughout the generations. With this in mind, I think it's possible this is the reason why Christ knew of the powers he held. I think anyone could do some of things He did-walking on water comes to mind-if we knew how to harness the vass amounts of energy around this planet, possibly the universe. There are other things that I question to. I may go to hell for it, but in all honesty, I really do believe I'm on the right track with this. I think I'll leave it at that because there were others in the other boards ie biology/genetics that really are biased, and really don't have an open enough mind to even remotely think it is possible.


TheVisitor
03-05-03, 02:22 PM
Go to the link I posted, to the picture, and when there click on the picture itself. Read the article on down where it explain how faith works miracles.......This is how it works.
It's your own faith that operates it, but sometimes you just need something to "boost" the level of your faith.
While in the sight of Jesus, Peter got out of the ship and also walked on the water....He was just a man like you or I.
Also see my last post, it explains how Jesus was born...By the power of the spoken word through the mouth of a prophet 800 years earlier.


Mystech
03-06-03, 12:14 AM
Originally posted by TheVisitor 
The bible is good enough for me, it's my "absolute" authority, but lets talk about you....
Whats your absolute...? Science..? Their story changes all the time, as they learn more about what already exists around them, they update their story accordingly.
You need an absolute or you have no basis to work from. 

Well, that's a pretty piss poor basis for your beliefs if you ask me. Tell me, what kind of authority is it, when the events therein demand proving, yet as using it as the base for everything else, it defies proof? Seems pretty shoddy to me.

The idea of comparing science to the bible is pretty ridiculous. Science isn't something you're supposed to take as unquestionable cannon, you don't need to develop an interpretation of it, and the very idea behind it is that ideas are supposed to change as new evidence is gathered, and new observations made. Scientific thought puts nothing in the category of "Beyond proof", and it requires no faith, it's the logical and rational drawing of conclusions about how the world works, based upon making observations, and testing and retesting theories in such a way as to only be able to draw one conclusion once all aspects have been explored. 

I'll tell you what my absolute is, visitor, it is that we live in a world with objective and consistent principals, and through observing these, we can continue to learn ever more about the world, and apply that knowledge to make our life better. At no point does the idea of faith, or belief without knowledge, come into play as a serious factor, it's irrelevant, and fallacious.


one_raven
03-06-03, 04:44 AM
Originally posted by TheVisitor 
Yes, thats amazing isn't it...
66 different books in the Bible, written by 40 different authors over a period of 2000 years...
And I challange you to show me one contridiction in any of it.
That in itself proves it was written by divine inspiration of God, and not of man.
This is why I use it as a basis for my understanding of the world.
It is a rock you can stand on, that will not change or move. 

Here are just a few to begin with...

http://www.atheists.org/church/contradictions.html

Let me know what you make of these, for now.


divinebrn
03-06-03, 10:03 AM
I also use the bible as the basis of my...I will not say beliefs, but I do read the Skeptics Annotated Bible, in which I find pretty interesting. I have never been a follower of so called "religion" to many contradictions and the majority of people always conform the bible to fit, yet again thier beliefs. Have you ever read The Twelth Planet by Zacharias Stitchin? He supports your theory on the UFOs--pretty interesting piece of literature..

Besides Micheal Branham are there any other teachers that you base your theories on?

If you dont' mind me askin? What is your ethnicity?:D


norad
03-06-03, 03:14 PM
You know, it's obvious that there is something to the Bible. I don't practice religion, but so many cultures have tried to destroy the Bible (religion) so many times, it still preseveres. That's what I find interesting about something that some would call a fable. Quite the fable to endure those kinds of attacks! Bet you Mary Poppins wouldn't last through it!


Dana D
03-06-03, 11:07 PM
Good point.
Dr Lou Natic
03-06-03, 11:42 PM
No not really

Originally posted by norad 
You know, it's obvious that there is something to the Bible. I don't practice religion, but so many cultures have tried to destroy the Bible (religion) so many times, it still preseveres. That's what I find interesting about something that some would call a fable. Quite the fable to endure those kinds of attacks! Bet you Mary Poppins wouldn't last through it! 
Whats in the bible that is "valuable" is it teaches people to be kind and good to one another, I don't personally find that valuable but alot of people including atheists do. There are also some interesting fables that inspire thought, thats why its still around though basically is to keep society in tact. Society still loosely revolves around religion and the teachings of the bible as a corner stone for what is right and wrong, without that there would be anarchy. There are also alot of religious nuts out there and they keep it going. Its like in japan, kiddie porn wasn't illegal a few years ago because there were alot of pedophiles around and they had too much say. If enough people are behind something it will persevere. People aren't always right.
None of this means the bible is in anyway the definative collection of what is true.


one_raven

03-06-03, 11:50 PM
Originally posted by one_raven 
Here are just a few to begin with...

http://www.atheists.org/church/contradictions.html

Let me know what you make of these, for now. 

I will continue...

Very shortly after buying my first Bible and starting to read it some questions come to me...

1.) Who the hell was Cain's wife? Is this question not proof that Adam was not the first person on earth according to the Bible?

1a.) If Cain was the son of Adam, when he was cast out to wander the land of Nod, why did he fear for his life being taken from him by the hands of men? What men existed then? Just him and Adam, no? Why would God need to make the law against causing harm to Cain?

2.) The great flood happened because God wanted to punish those on earth that were evil... Noah was the 8th (EIGTH) generation directly under Adam... How could the earth possibly be populated by then? Again, proof that Adam was not the first man (according to the Bible).

3.) Further proof that Adam was not man #1: That early (counting generations) after Adam, how could there be an entire government system, including thousands of slaves and Pharoahs, have been fully developed?

4.) NOWHERE. I repeat, NOWHERE in the book of Exodus does it say the God, the creator, is the ONE AND ONLY GOD!! On the contrary, it alludes to the fact (in both Genesis and Exodus) that there were/are multiple Gods, and this particular God, the God of Israelites (which has nothing to do with country of origin, rather family of origin) is the God that the children of Israel (meaning those that are directly decended from Jacob, who's bloodline began with Adam) should worship. Not the OTHER GODS. It further implies that Egyptians were not decended from Adam because they are not children of Israel (again, children of Israel means directly decended from Jacob).

Also judging from the reference to sons of God and daughters of man, it would seem that people were here before God created his Son Adam.

It seems, at first glance, that Christian conveniently filled in the blanks with assumptions and false statements.

Could Christians be as drastically wrong as it appears, or am I totally missing some grand point here?

What am I missing?

Any ideas?


one_raven
03-06-03, 11:54 PM
Originally posted by Dr Lou Natic 
No not really 

I was wondering why that was a good point too.

It survived because people believed in it.
(well, at first it survived because if you didn;t believ in it you were tortured and killed. Then it was against the law to read ANYTHING other than the Bible. THEN people, for some reason, started to believe in it.)
How does that make it true or valuable?


one_raven
03-07-03, 07:07 AM
IF:


Originally posted by TheVisitor 
No , not all, true. Some is written in parables, riddles, and purposfully made a mystery so that God can reveal the understanding to whom He will and others will look at it and just walk away 

Then who are you to say things like...


Originally posted by TheVisitor 
The geneology is quite accurate......Go back several pages and read my artice on the giants.... This explains the creation of two seperate races from Adam, Eve and the Serpent. The Sons of Men and the Sons of God. The geneological record of Seth's linage (Adam and Eve's) and Cain's linage (The Serpent and Eve's) is quite accurate and extensive.
Since they were created perfect, the problems of in-breding are still a long ways off. But just like a tape that you record, and then make a tape of that tape , and so forth...eventualy you have nothing but static left on the tape.
This is why Man was smarter, stronger,and lived longer than we do today...
However, sexual reproduction was never the means God intended His children to be brought forth by, it was only meant as a secondary method, available to animals of all flesh.
The Sons of God were meant to be brought forth by the power of the spoken word, as Adam was...and as Jesus was..."A virgin shall conceive"... He was "the second man Adam" and thats how he was the propitiation. 

How do you know what is true and what is parable?


norad
03-07-03, 11:36 AM
None of this means the bible is in anyway the definative collection of what is true.

This is a valid point, but the point I made was not really a point; more of an observation. 

I will put my theory here later, since this is Pseudoscience, but it's not complete. I stated in the religion section that I believe we are all missing something-I just happen to be one of the few looking for that something. The funny thing is, people work science against the Bible or vice versa-I apply science to the Bible and vice versa. Some would say that is ridiculous, but why would it be? I believe that's the problem. People are working the two against each other. For instance, the light of the first day. Was it the sun? No. This wasn't until the fourth day, but this is not to be taken literally. Therefore, I'm guessing 4000 years, 4 million years, maybe even 4 billion years. So, the question is what was the light of the first day? Edwin Hubble answered this in 1929 with his Big Bang theory. This was the light of the first day-at least to me that makes sense. And not only me. The Catholic church accepted the Big Bang theory to be in accordance with Biblical scripture in 1951. So, the question for me is: who or what knew of the big bang 2000 years ago? That is the question. I cannot accept that it is just a coincidence. I won't and I shant. There are several 100 questions that still haven't been answered. Again, since this is Pseudoscience, this has been my concentration for quite a few years.


one_raven
03-07-03, 08:56 PM
norad:
The Bible mentions nothing about the Big Bang.
There is no valid reason to make the leap that "someone" knew about the Bog Bang theory 2000 years ago.

The "light" mentioned in the Bible could very well be referring to:

The first day of man's existence on this planet. The light of the sun hitting his eyes for the first time.

The dawn of man's evolution, when the animal first became sentient.

Enlightenment. Maybe it meant that man's ability to enlighten himself lies in the pages of this book and through knowledge of God (which was said many years earlier in the Vedas).

Birth. I have considered that the Bible is the story of the journey of a single man's life. Not any particular man, but all. Genesis is birth (the light).

So many other interpretations could be made.
The Big Bang theory being around and understood 2000+ years ago is one of the very UNLIKELY scenarios.


norad
03-08-03, 07:10 AM
Well, that's your perspective. 
The Bible mentions nothing about the Big Bang. 
I have to disagree with that conception. 
I suggest you read Genesis because it does say that the Universe was void. Then God said let their be light! Sounds like the Big Bang to me! Just because it doesn't say: and God said let there be a Big Bang? Come on now, use that grey matter! You say Genesis is the birth-yes, of everything! The universe-let there be light, sun-this wasn't until the fourth day, thousand years, million years, whatever, earth, plants, animals and man. As I said, everyone is missing something. Man seems to think within the box. Case in point. We have a fuel crisis. Ford, and I think Toyota was the other company, built electric cars. Do you see the idiocy here? We have an energy crisis too! That's thinking within the box. I tend to think outside of the box. And this is the pseudoscience board. This is a board that is meant for speculation. Please read my post again because some of your claims are out of sequence. Maybe that's why you didn't understand my post in the first place.


TheVisitor
03-09-03, 01:33 AM
Q: How do you know what is true and what is parable?

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A: Thats a fair question, and I will answer it to the best of my ability, with God's help. This may get a little lengthy, so I'm apolgizing in advance.
It's true, as a man, I could have as many different guesses of the true meaning of the scriptures as the next man. Many have made their best guesses and put their own interpretations to it in the past, some were close in some areas and some were not. But God's Word is of no privite interpration. "Word" in the Greek means two different things - "Rhema" is the "letter of the word", and "Logos" is the thought or true meaning of the word". One word can have many differnt meanings. The author of the bible "God" who wrote it by the prophets, is the only one who can correctly interpret it.
God is a manifestion of the promises made in His word, in that effect, God is the Word. (1 John 1:1-14). The whole bible is the revelation of Jesus Christ. Just as God has chosen to hide Himself from the "world", He has also chosen to hide the meaning of His Word from the "world", so He can reveal it to whom He will in a time and place of His own chosing. In John 6:44, Jesus said: "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him". Only those He has chosen to see, will, and the rest will not. What I'm about to tell you is profound and startling, but it is the truth. I'm not responcible for making anyone believe it, thats up to Him. The bible has been a locked, or "sealed" book, the complete revelation of which has been witheld until the last days. (Dan 12:9-10). Rev. 10:1-7 says the "book " will remain sealed until Christ returns with the book in His hand open, and in the "days of the voice of the seventh angel" the mysteries of God should be finished.
The Jews missed their day of "visitation", because they mis-interpreted the scriptures' meaning, by confusing prophecies of Christ first and second comings. They thought He was coming to set up His kingdom, and missed His coming as the sacrifice. The "Gentiles" today and their organized religions have also missed, and are missing their "day of visitation". Mis-interpreting the scriptures, they have confused the people about how Christ has promised to return in His second coming. What was promised to the Gentiles was the "revelation of the Son of Man". Luke 17:26 " And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man." Luke 17:30 "Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed." Jesus refered to himself when he was here as the "Son of Man:, it is the title of an office, when God uses a prophet to reveal Himself to the people. John 6:53 "Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you." The Word itself seperates those who beleive from those who do not. He didn't explain it. Some said: "This is an hard saying; who can hear it?" and in John chapter 6:66 ( notice the numbers here) "From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him". Others chose to stay even though they didn't understand, because they believed he was "The Christ". See how God works. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever. He is the Son of Man, and He's come back and revealed Himself to this generation through the office of a prophet just as he promised. Amos 3:7, Mal 4:5-6, Rev 10:7 are just a few of the scriptures. The supernatural ministry of William Branham (1909-1965) was thoroughly vindicated as that of a prophet, a seer such as were the old testement prophets with all the signs, wonders, and miracles the world has not seen since the days Jesus Christ walked the earth. The disernment of the thoughts and intents of the heart, that only God could know, was displayed thousands of times without one single error. But as it was in Jesus first ministry, the miracles were not merely done for show, it was to attract the peoples attention, then after God had vindicated His messenger, He sat down to teach them doctrine. That pattern was repeated in this day. First the sign, then the voice of the sign. The miracles God performed night after night through William Branham's ministry attracted millions to the ranks of the pentacostal movement in the late 40's, 50's and early 60's. But in 1963, after letting there be no doubt this was truly a man God had raised up to be His prophet, Jesus Christ, the only one worthy, took the book, opened it, came down, and through the mouthpiece of a prophet revealed his Word that had been hidden since the foundation of the world. Things mortal man had only guessed at through the ages, His doctrine, the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven. (Rev. 10:7). It was the revelation of the Son of Man. He came exactly as promised, just not the way the church had it figured - sound familar ?. "the same yesterday, today and forever". After the churches (the organizations - not the people) rejected God's message, just as they did in His first coming, He turned to calling His people out of it's organized religous systems refered to as " Babylon the Great, mother of harlots and abominations of the earth". Rev 18:1-4. These things were not done in a corner, and the message is still unfolding more every day through a five-fold ministry (prophets, apostles, evangelist, pastors and teachers) of God called men. "We speak that we do know". They asked Jesus: "By what authority do you speak these things."? "Where did you receive this knowledge? We have no record of any school you went to for learning". It has been revealed from the mind of God. My own ideas were a million miles off. This is the wedding supper, the feast He promised. The marriage of the Lamb is come, the Bridegroom's here. With the revelation of His Word and His will, the Bride is making herself ready. The Bride and the Bridegroom say come.
He's still here calling His elect....if you feel the pull after reading this, check into it....I've told you the truth, and I pray those who read this will have the eyes of their understanding enlightened.

God Bless You,

TheVisitor


divinebrn
03-10-03, 10:00 PM
Question for you have you ever heard of ENKIDU? 
Also what about Cleopatra and Marc Anthony, wasn't Cleopatra a "black Phonecian woman of Lebanon who was impregnated by high ranking Roman Soldier who was a white man. 
Also from the beginning of the Old Testament(malachi) and beginning of the new Testament(mattew) why is there a time span of 300 or 400 years?

I am confused by all of this:confused:


TheVisitor
03-11-03, 12:23 AM
The Visitor

Question for you have you ever heard of ENKIDU? 
Also what about Cleopatra and Marc Anthony, wasn't Cleopatra a "black Phonecian woman of Lebanon who was impregnated by high ranking Roman Soldier who was a white man. 
Also from the beginning of the Old Testament(malachi) and beginning of the new Testament(mattew) why is there a time span of 300 or 400 years? 

I am confused by all of this

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Enkidu was the "Hairy" beast-like man that fought with Gilgamesh in the Sumerian Epic. They later became friends and went on adventures together..........

Whats interesting to me is not whether the story is fiction or not.
But something that old can be used to tell us of the world in those times.

Have you read my post a few pages back about the "Giants"
Enkindu sounds a lot like the Serpent-Seed "Sons of Men" before the flood which were large, hairy and from whom the Giants sprung. (Remember they reappeared - after - the flood through Ham's linage . He was one of Noah's three sons and displayed the characteristics of Cain.) 

And Gilgamesh claimed to be 2/3 "God" and 1/3 "Man"
in a time period shortly after the flood. The book of Genesis says the two races mixed just before the flood.....

Gen. 6:1-5
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. 5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Remember the story of Hercules,? part "God" part "Man".
Also look at the Legend of the Titans and the Olympians.
Giants battling Gods ...remember ?
and Atlas...The balance of the world rested on his shoulders.

(That balance has been lost....the earths tilted 33% off her axis today thanks to man's tampering with the powers of nature before the flood.)
Just as God said "the day shall come that shall burn as an oven" and allowed man to discover the power of the sun, nuclear energy, man before the flood was advanced too, and had the power to control elements of nature.
God allowed man to cause the first destruction just as He will allow man to cause the second destruction.
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was Satan.
The tree of Life was God. This world chose Satan over God and was doomed right there. The world today is "Satan's Eden"
He's had six thousand years to make it that way.

But, back to the ancient stories...many of these tales of lore seem to paint a picture thats maybe not based entirely on total fiction when you see the truth of the "Serpents-Seed" and what really happened in the garden.
But I no way intend here to say that I beleive in any greek or babylonian tales of gods as being true. There is one TRUE God and I believe it is Jesus Christ. 

I don't know about the Cleopatra story too well, I'll have to look into it.

If you mean the "end" of Malichi untill the begining of Matthew, it was hundreds of years....The jews had to 'Slip" from their observance of the law some before God sent a prophet to line them back up. This time The Messiah came and they had slipped so far into dead traditions and creeds, that something they had waited over 1900 years for, slipped right through their fingers. Thus started the "Dispensation of the Gentiles".
Now "We've" had over 1900 years to wait, and slip into dead creeds and traditions....He said He'd come as a theif in the night and only take a small number........Luke 17:26



Vicky
03-12-03, 11:33 AM
Hi everyone!

I am new here on this forum and I have a question to ask everyone.

The other night, I was standing looking up at the stars....looking for moving stars actually, since I have seen them before.

I watched and in a very short time, maybe a few minutes or so, not only was it going up and down and from one side to another which I think is normal for most stars ( magnitic field or somethings ), but all of them move alittle but always in the same area of location. This star was at first doing the same thing but since I know that it starts that way but then..... well, this star began to go higher and to the right more and did moves like a regular star and more and than was very surely travels to the right and it was therefore at this point no longer a star!

I am wondering, is this a ufo? which I think it is...some type of intelligent flying star?? it looks like a star with the naked eye but it is not obviously, it is moving enough distance to know, something is going on and it is not a star! 

It was traveling a good distance and then it would go up and then....it did different things. I was not able to stay long enough to see how much further it would travel, but it was not a star, stars do not move and travel distances .

I have seen this before a number of times, and also a ball of white lightening one night around 3 am in the morning.....traveling from east to west and it was INTELLIGENT.....


Thanks, hope we can somehow find out what is really going on? get some information.....


Thanks, Vicky



TheVisitor
03-12-03, 02:10 PM
Vicky,

Some of the lights moving in the sky at night can be explained as ordinary objects. Even though it's dark where your at, a jetliner at an angle to the horizon closer to the sun, could reflect light while traveling at 40, 000 ft. Also theres "shooting stars", that are meteorites, and there are thousands of man-made "satelites or "space junk" in orbit that can refect light while moving.
But there are some cases that don't fall under these catagories.
You have described a ball of light that appeared intelligent....

Many of these lights, that people see appear to be defying the laws of physics.....are in fact investigating angels, that have come down just as they did before the destruction of Sodom and Gomorha. 

Other examples of lights in the scriptures -

(A pillar of fire led the children of Israel through the desert by night and a cloud by day, a burning bush that was not consumed "spoke" to Moses, "Firery serpents" struck down the Israelites when they turned to idolatry, Saul was struck by a pillar of fire, that said it was Jesus, on his way to perscute christians and was converted, afterward writing most of the New Testment. On the day of "pentecost" in the house where they were all assembled "And there appeared unto them cloven tongues as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.")

They sometimes appear as an amber light, or a pillar of fire...I've read many accounts and have seen numerous photos of this, including one that was authenicated by Geoge J. Lacy (the examiner of questioned documents for the F.B.I.) and hung until recently in the smithonian hall of religious arts as the only supernatural being ever photographed. 
It is a picture of a pillar of fire over the head of evangelist William Branham, taken before thousands of people in Sam Houston colliseum in Jan, 1950. 
A link to the photo is here http://freie-volksmission.org/english/
Once there click on the photo for more information.

Edited by TheVisitor on 03-05-03 at 06:20 PM


Vicky
03-12-03, 03:10 PM
Thank you, 


Vicky